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Magic Chicken Diet – Kimkins Time Line (revised again)

Posted in kimkins with tags , , , , , , , on March 27, 2008 by kimkinscam

Chicken dates in RED –  Kimkins dates in white

  • 9/23/02– Bonnie’s brother registers his candle site candleboxcandles dot com through DomainPeople, Inc.
  • 4/22/06 – With the agreement of Heidi Diaz, Kimkins.com is registered in Catherine MacDonald’s name at GoDaddy.com
  • 4/25/06 – The partnership agreement between Catherine and Heidi was signed
  • 6/08/06 – Kimmer leaves LCF and opens Kimkins.com
  • 6/12/06 – Tippy joins Kimkins and quickly starts the Kimmer Foster Kid Challenge
  • 8/01/06 – Bonnie claims to have started her diet
  • 9/06/06 – Catherine requests a renegotiation of the buyout clause
  • 9/07/06– Bonnie registered her candle site through HostMonster
  • 9/24/06 – Tippy quits posting at KK and goes back to LCF
  • 12/30/06 – Tippy returns to KK for 11 days and them goes back to LCF
  • 4/07 –      Christin has a Womans’ World photoshoot in California
  • 5/02/07– MCD website is registered
  • 6/10/07– Bonnie’s husband, David places an ad at GetAFreelancer for a “CLONE” of Kimkins.
  • 6/12/07 – Bonnie’s 50th Birthday – She has lost 160 pounds in 10 months
  • 6/12/07 – Woman’s World Kimkins article hits the news stands
  • 6/15/07 – Kimmer’s Classmate.com picture posted on ALC
  • 6/26/07 – The “Fascination With Kimmer” thread begins at LCF.  First post by “Paula Jayne” asking about Kimmer’s before and after picture.
  • 6/28/07 – Another “Texas Candle Factory” site is registered.   
  • 7/20/07 – The MCD site is launched.   $19.95 will buy the first 200 members a lifetime membership.
  • 7/26/07 – Kimmer (?) posts an ad for a Freelancer at GetAFreelancer.com to be a “sockpuppet”(same site David made an inquiry for the MCD website)
  • 7/27/07 – Jimmy Moores apologizes and cuts ties with Kimkins
  • 8/14/07 – Email exchange between Heidi & Christin about “law” mentions hiding money
  • 8/16/07 – Becky leaves Kimkins – Other admins. leave shortly after.
  • 8/27/07 – After the original admins had left KK – Tippy started posting again at KK
  • 9/1/07 – Tippy is now Heidi’s “right hand man”
  • 9/05/07 – Real pictures of Heidi Diaz (Kimmer) were released.
  • 9/07/07 – Heidi receives complaint from BBB and the CA Medical Board
  • 9/10/07 – The Class Action Lawsuit is underway.  Thank you, Jeanessa!
  • 9/11/07– Bonnie posts her first comment on her site.  She also trys her hand at marketing – by creating a couple of MySpace profiles and uploading pictures and videos of her weight loss success.  She has jumped in with both feet at this point.
  • 9/24/07  – Heidi forms Halcyon Web,LLC  & Sharp Plumbing,LLC
  • 10/3/07 – KTLA airs the story on Kimmer and the Kimkins diet
  • 10/4/07 – Many of the KK success story’s before and after photos were proved FAKE – Found on Russian bride mail order sites.
  • 10/4/07 – Kimmer sends email stating that Kimkins was now under new management.
  • 10/06/07 – Kimmer’s “red dress” after photo – FOUND!  another Russian Bride “Lesya”
  • 10/6/07–  Bonnie’s brother modifies his site through DomainPeople, Inc.
  • 10/6/07 – Ducky stops posting
  • 10/9/07 – Dr. Mark joins Kimkins
  • 10/18/07 – Heidi withdraws $878,253.79 from investment account
  • 11/09/07 – Heidi writes check to the US Treasury Department $700,000 & $100,000  to the Franchise Tax Board
  • 11/09/07 – Heidi pays cash for a $440,000 house
  • 11/12/07 – FOX’s The Morning Show with Mike and Juliet discusses Kimkins with Christin, Deni, Tippy Toes and SingingLass.
  • 11/12/07 – Kimmer meets with John T. for her deposition – Assets FROZEN
  • 11/16/07 – The Court entered an order to issue a Writ of Attachment on Heidi’s assets
  • 11/23/07 – Heidi’s SSDI benefits were terminated
  • 11/27/07 – Tippy posts at KK that she is taking a computer break
  • 11/27/07 – Tippy joins Amy at “Eating Low” under the name of JeannieLynn
  • 11/28/07 – Another KTLA update on Kimkins
  • 12/04/07 – Tippy leaves the Kimpound and tries to find another home at “eating low with Amy”
  • 12/07/07 – Amyb gets banned from Kimkins (the first time)
  • 12/9/07 – Bonnie decides to increase the “introductory” price to $69.95. (WOW- such a big jump for such a new company) Even though it is believed that there were only 20 members on board at this time.  And most, if not all were personal friends of Bonnie’s
  • 12/10/07– Marisol discovers the Magic Chicken Diet and posts about it on her blog
  • 12/13/07  – Hulon Pate (David and Bonnie’s “son-in-law”) leaves a comment on Marisol’s blog.
  • 12/13/07– Becky’s rant, defending the chicken lady, at Jimmy Moore’s site and stomping all over the folks at LCF.
  • 12/13/07– The MCD website goes down
  • 12/14/07– Hulon Pate, Bonnie’s son-in-law, leaves a comment on Marisol’s blog
  • 12/14/07 – Brian and Heather (former front page success stories) leave KK and start CampCarbAway with Tippy
  • 12/15/07 – (according to Tippy’s shortlived blog) Heidi Diaz sends an email to Brian (at the Camp) claiming to have shut down the MCD website
  • 12/16/07 – Bonnie’s magic chicken dot net site was registered
  • 12/17/07– Yust Yucky posts a copy of the MCD diet in pdf form.
  • 12/20/2007– The Lupers registered the MCD dot net site. 
  • 12/24/07 – Fawn starts her FIRST blog – praising Kimmer and Tippy
  • 1/03/08 – Kimmer raises membership fee at Kimkins to $79.95
  • 1/19/08 – Kimkins makes the Good Morning America show on ABC
  • 1/23/08 –  Heidi’s second deposition with John Tiedt
  • 1/23/08 – Bonnie offers Amyb a FREE membership to MCD and tells her to be sure to post pictures.
  • 1/31/08– Someone installed new software at the main MCD site and ALL 70 posts went POOF – GONE!  
  • 2/04/08  – Bonnie (?) modified the MCDdot NET site through HostMonster
  • 2/6/08– Bonnie modified her candle site through HostMonster
  • 2/6/08  – Someone started a VERY UGLY posting rampage at the MCD dot net site.  It was apparent that the “ducks” had ticked Bonnie and/or David off.  The ramblings were painful to read and seemed to be written by a very disturbed person.  It stayed that way for a few weeks and then it was changed.
  • 2/8/08 – Amyb emails Bonnie (2nd time) about the Magic Chicken Diet membership
  • 2/10/08 – Bonnie becomes snarky with Amyb (through emails) about posting pictures  – and defensive about the site.  Bonnie tells Amyb through e-mails that she now wants pictures–“Only when you start this plan not someone elses that would not be honest.” Bonnie also knows (though Amyb never told her) that Amyb lost her weight on Kimkins.
  • 2/18/08 – Fawn requests refund from Kimmer and leaves the Kimpound
  • 2/24/08 – Amyb gets banned from Kimkins AGAIN
  • 2/28/08 – Fawn reports that she has received her refund from Kimmer
  • 3/15/08 – Singinglass becomes a SockPuppet at LCF – (as LittleSina) – What was her motive??
  • 3/24/08 – The admins at LCF found out that Singinglass was LittleSina and closed her account.
  • 3/28/08 – Kimkins is featured on Headline Legal News Insider Exclusive

I have taken My time-line, Marisol’s time-line and additional information sent to me, through comments and emails, to come up with this revised list of dates.  If you have anything to add to this list, please send it to me and I will post it here.  Thanks everyone.  

7 Comments »

  1. WOW! What a fantastic timeline! I can’t imagine how long it must have taken you to put that all together.

Great job, MJR!My blog: MedusaComment by Medusa | March 19, 2008 | Edit

  1. What a great resource this is!

Here’s another date: 11/12/07 – FOX’s The Morning Show with Mike and Juliet discusses Kimkins with Christin, Deni, Tippy Toes and SingingLass.Comment by Anonymous | March 20, 2008 | Edit

  1. wow that is great and a lot of work.

since you have ducky stops posting you might see where Ducky switches focus from Jimmy Moore to Kimkins.comKimmerstarted on the time line and see if any MCD changes happened then also.Comment by 2big4mysize | March 20, 2008 | Edit

  1. Absolutely BRILLIANT! Thank you thank you, it really helps to be able to view the sequence of events lined out like this. Way to go, MJ!!!!!

Comment by yustyucky | March 24, 2008 | Edit

  1. Hey, has Tippy stated on what date she was given a free membership at the MCD?

How about AmyB? Just curious.Thanks again! GREAT work, MJ!!Comment by yustyucky | March 24, 2008 | Edit

  1. I left my comment on the previous post. Here it is:
    Great job! I just have this to add:
    # The MCD website goes down on December 13, 2007
    # Hulon Pate, Bonnie’s son-in-law, leaves a comment on my blog on December 14, 3:30 AM
    # On December 15 (according to Tippy’s shortlived blog) Heidi Diaz sends an email to Brian (at the Camp) claiming to have shut down the MCD website

Comment by mariasol | March 26, 2008 | Edit

  1. Mariasol,

I have added these dates to the time line. Thanks so much for your input. It’s very interesting to me to see the back and forth – cause & effect ??- going on between the two sites. It really makes you wonder how much Heidi has to do with MCD. Mjr

Revised time-line

Posted in kimkins with tags , , , , , , , on March 18, 2008 by kimkinscam

Chicken dates in RED –  Kimkins dates in white

  • 9/23/02– Bonnie’s brother registers his candle site candleboxcandles dot com through DomainPeople, Inc.
  • 4/22/06 – With the agreement of Heidi Diaz, Kimkins.com is registered in Catherine MacDonald’s name at GoDaddy.com
  • 4/25/06 – The partnership agreement between Catherine and Heidi was signed
  • 6/08/06 – Kimmer leaves LCF and opens Kimkins.com
  • 6/12/06 – Tippy joins Kimkins and quickly starts the Kimmer Foster Kid Challenge
  • 8/01/06 – Bonnie claims to have started her diet
  • 9/06/06 – Catherine requests a renegotiation of the buyout clause
  • 9/07/06– Bonnie registered her candle site through HostMonster
  • 9/24/06 – Tippy quits posting at KK and goes back to LCF
  • 12/30/06 – Tippy returns to KK for 11 days and them goes back to LCF
  • 4/07 –      Christin has a Womans’ World photoshoot in California
  • 5/02/07– MCD website is registered
  • 6/10/07– Bonnie’s husband, David places an ad at GetAFreelancer for a “CLONE” of Kimkins.
  • 6/12/07 – Bonnie’s 50th Birthday – She has lost 160 pounds in 10 months
  • 6/12/07 – Woman’s World Kimkins article hits the news stands
  • 6/26/07 – The “Fascination With Kimmer” thread begins at LCF.  First post by “Paula Jayne” asking about Kimmer’s before and after picture.
  • 6/28/07 – Another “Texas Candle Factory” site is registered. 
  • 7/03/07 – Kimmer’s Classmate.com picture found by “Tooter” at LCF
  • 7/20/07 – The MCD site is launched.   $19.95 will buy the first 200 members a lifetime membership.
  • 7/26/07 – Kimmer (?) posts an ad for a Freelancer at GetAFreelancer.com to be a “sockpuppet”(same site David made an inquiry for the MCD website)
  • 7/27/07 – Jimmy Moores apologizes and cuts ties with Kimkins
  • 8/14/07 – Email exchange between Heidi & Christin about “law” mentions hiding money
  • 8/16/07 – Becky leaves Kimkins – Other admins. leave shortly after.
  • 8/27/07 – After the original admins had left KK – Tippy started posting again at KK
  • 9/1/07 – Tippy is now Heidi’s “right hand man”
  • 9/05/07 – Real pictures of Heidi Diaz (Kimmer) were released.
  • 9/07/07 – Heidi receives complaint from BBB and the CA Medical Board
  • 9/10/07 – The Class Action Lawsuit is underway.  Thank you, Jeanessa!
  • 9/11/07– Bonnie posts her first comment on her site.  She also trys her hand at marketing – by creating a couple of MySpace profiles and uploading pictures and videos of her weight loss success.  She has jumped in with both feet at this point.
  • 9/24/07  – Heidi forms Halcyon Web,LLC  & Sharp Plumbing,LLC
  • 10/3/07 – KTLA airs the story on Kimmer and the Kimkins diet
  • 10/4/07 – Many of the KK success story’s before and after photos were proved FAKE – Found on Russian bride mail order sites.
  • 10/4/07 – Kimmer sends email stating that Kimkins was now under new management.
  • 10/06/07 – Kimmer’s “red dress” after photo – FOUND!  another Russian Bride “Lesya”
  • 10/6/07–  Bonnie’s brother modifies his site through DomainPeople, Inc.
  • 10/6/07 – Ducky stops posting
  • 10/9/07 – Dr. Mark joins Kimkins
  • 10/18/07 – Heidi withdraws $878,253.79 from investment account
  • 11/09/07 – Heidi writes check to the US Treasury Department $700,000 & $100,000  to the Franchise Tax Board
  • 11/09/07 – Heidi pays cash for a $440,000 house
  • 11/12/07 – FOX’s The Morning Show with Mike and Juliet discusses Kimkins with Christin, Deni, Tippy Toes and SingingLass.
  • 11/12/07 – Kimmer meets with John T. for her deposition – Assets FROZEN
  • 11/16/07 – The Court entered an order to issue a Writ of Attachment on Heidi’s assets
  • 11/23/07 – Heidi’s SSDI benefits were terminated
  • 11/27/07 – Tippy posts at KK that she is taking a computer break
  • 11/27/07 – Tippy joins Amy at “Eating Low” under the name of JeannieLynn
  • 11/28/07 – Another KTLA update on Kimkins
  • 12/04/07 – Tippy leaves the Kimpound and tries to find another home at “eating low with Amy”
  • 12/9/07 – Bonnie decides to increase the “introductory” price to $69.95. (WOW- such a big jump for such a new company) Even though it is believed that there were only 20 members on board at this time.  And most, if not all were personal friends of Bonnie’s
  • 12/10/07– Marisol discovers the Magic Chicken Diet and posts about it on her blog
  • 12/13/07  – Hulon Pate (David and Bonnie’s “son-in-law”) leaves a comment on Marisol’s blog.
  • 12/13/07– Becky’s rant, defending the chicken lady, at Jimmy Moore’s site and stomping all over the folks at LCF.
  • 12/13/07 – The MCD website goes down
  • 12/14/07 – Hulon Pate, Bonnie’s son-in-law, leaves a comment on Marisol’s blog
  • 12/14/07 – Brian and Heather (former front page success stories) leave KK and start CampCarbAway with Tippy
  • 12/15/07 – (according to Tippy’s shortlived blog) Heidi Diaz sends an email to Brian (at the Camp) claiming to have shut down the MCD website
  • 12/16/07 – Bonnie’s magic chicken dot net site was registered
  • 12/17/07– Yust Yucky posts a copy of the MCD diet in pdf form.
  • 12/20/2007– The Lupers registered the MCD dot net site. 
  • 12/24/07 – Fawn starts her FIRST blog – praising Kimmer and Tippy
  • 1/03/08 – Kimmer raises membership fee at Kimkins to $79.95
  • 1/19/08 – Kimkins makes the Good Morning America show on ABC
  • 1/23/08 –  Heidi’s second deposition with John Tiedt
  • 1/31/08– Someone installed new software at the main MCD site and ALL 70 posts went POOF – GONE!  
  • 2/04/08  – Bonnie (?) modified the MCDdot NET site through HostMonster
  • 2/6/08– Bonnie modified her candle site through HostMonster
  • 2/6/08  – Someone started a VERY UGLY posting rampage at the MCD dot net site.  It was apparent that the “ducks” had ticked Bonnie and/or David off.  The ramblings were painful to read and seemed to be written by a very disturbed person.  It stayed that way for a few weeks and then it was changed.
  • 2/18/08 – Fawn requests refund from Kimmer and leaves the Kimpound
  • 2/28/08 – Fawn reports that she has received her refund from Kimmer

I have taken my time-line, Marisol’s time-line and additional information sent to me, through comments and emails, to come up with this revised list of dates.  If you have anything to add to this list, please send it to me and I will post it here.  Thanks everyone.

REVISITED!! KK diet MCD ..things that make you go hmmmm

Posted in kimkins with tags , , , , on March 12, 2008 by kimkinscam

I am re-posting this – Because it got buried! Too many distractions!

Time to get back to work.

https://kimkinscam.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/kk-diet-mcd-things-that-make-you-go-hmmmm/

Oh Heidi, What a tangled web we weave

Posted in kimkins with tags , , , , , , , , on February 26, 2008 by kimkinscam

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Based on reliable and accurate information,it has been uncovered that “Martina’s Martini” (recent troll at the LCF’s FWK thread) shares the same IP address as our dear friend (NOT!), Heidi K. Diaz.   So, what does this mean?  Martina and Heidi are “one in the same”?  What are the odds of  Martina being, let’s say, Brandon?  Not likely!!!

It apparently has been discovered that our troll Martina tried to intimidate one of the participants in the lawsuit with a threatening email.   Heidi has also been going to extreme measures lately,  pointing the finger at many of the principals in the case.  Tippy Toes, I hope you are on the up and up – because Heidi’s coming after you, darling.  She is desperate – desperate to keep her money and have someone else take the fall.  She is NOT above bullying those that she believes can hurt her in court.  I believe she thinks if she can make the principals in the case look devious or fraudulent themselves, then she feels she can beat this lawsuit.  She thinks that by throwing previous (or current for that matter, SL) KK admins under the bus – it will somehow help her out in the case and insure that she gets to keep her money and her website.   So, you tell me, does Martina = Heidi ?????

WOW!  – New information , just in-

We may have a few more clues…. Seems that Yucky, Medusa and Prudentiahave put a few things together and they ALL point to Heidi Diaz and her “imaginary friends” – GREAT SLEUTHING, you guys!! We all knew we could count on you guys to get to the truth. Even if it meant traveling to California. Hope you had a great trip! Obviously, you learned plenty.

Someone should have a running list of ALL the sock-puppets and fictitious characters Heidi has fabricated over the past few years. Because, I’m having a hard time keeping up!!!  Oh, Honeybee…. you working on that one?

Maybe – just maybe “the other shoe” and “fedup” were just a couple more of Heidi’s “Figments” – Just like Martina, crispybread, kimkinite101 and many more. It would seem that she is getting extremely desperate that she is trying to force ANYONE and EVERYONE she can into the spot light – to keep it OFF OF HER!!

Of course this won’t work – because all the “Negative Nancies” and “Ducks” are hot on her trail. I think the days of “getting over” on the innocent are coming to an end. Just like her site. And let’s hope, her FREEDOM.

More Cryptic Messages

Posted in kimkins with tags , , , , , , , , , , on February 21, 2008 by kimkinscam

I’d like to rewind a little and revisit a few comments that had me scratching my head the other day.  At first, I thought these comments were left by our friendly (or not so friendly) troll “Martina.”  Now, I’m not so sure!  Only because I’ve had a few days to digest it all and have come to the conclusion that maybe they were left by someone other than Martina.  After-all, Martina was not shy about putting her/his name on their comments.  So why would he/she use these names to identify them-self?  Unless they just wanted to keep the ducks guessing and cause more confusion. 

In case you missed it…. here are the comments that were posted at mariasol’s blog    2/14/08  &  2/16/08  

(remember Heidi was due to go before the judge on 2/18/08 to try to get her money unfrozen)

the other shoe said…
One. Name that tune: “They will not rest, apparently, until Tippy’s site and this lady’s site and anyplace else current Kimkins members might really fell warmly welcomed is gone.”Two. Name that step. Three. Name that set which consists of those sets b, bb, hb, jbb, jmb.
Then when no one  really made an effort to figure out the puzzle, this comment was left on 2/16/08
fedup said…
One. Name that tune: “They will not rest, apparently, until Tippy’s site and this lady’s site and anyplace else current Kimkins members might really fell warmly welcomed is gone.” = Becky mad cause she n Tippy in bidnez together, gonna quick rich get, hawking Kimkins diet by any other name. Where to set up shop? Inside the Jimpire? Oh no you don’t say the Jimmy. And all the Jimmyjoes say Oh no you don’t, mama don’t allow no Tippy toein round here. Becky all hmmph n poo on yall, ain’t no big thang’ cause see she got someplace else to go.
Two.  Name that step.= Texas Two Step. Becky n Bonnie in bidnez together, gonna quick rich get, hawking Kimkins diet by any other name. Where to set up shop? Inside the Chicken coop? Oh no you don’t say the Nancies. And all the Ducks say Oh no you don’t, mama don’t allow no finger lickin round here. Becky all hmmph n poo on yall, and it’s a big thang now cause see she runnin outa someplace elses to go.

Three. Name that set which consists of those sets b, bb, hb, jbb, jmb.= MCD.net exit here Becky, Becky&Bonnie, Heidi&Becky, Jeannie&Becky, Jimmy&Becky. Get on out here. We — the people — the fed up with your greed, your lies, your conniving and your coverups — we’ve had it. Get out. You don’t have to go home but you can’t stay here.

  I almost missed the last comment.  I just happened to go back to see if anyone had responded since my last visit —  and there it was.  Someone was trying desperately to “out” Becky.  Does this have anything to do with Heidi’s court date?  Afterall, she is trying really hard to get her assets “unfrozen”  – Could Heidi have left these comments?  If not, then who else has it out for Becky?  Who is trying to make Becky look as bad as Heidi?  

Now, let me make this perfectly clear, I’m no Becky fan – not after her previous delivery of a hand grenade into the midst of the ducks –  but, if these above comments are accurate,  Becky’s “greed” and “need to cuddle up” to the likes of Tippy Toes, Kimmer, Jimmy Moore and Bonnie are her own short comings (Shameful, YES).  None of us want to see ANOTHER KIMKINS SITE!!  Even if they want to call it something else.  But, this doesn’t add up to fraud (IMO).  Heidi Diaz seems to have invented the words fraud and scam artist.   Let’s look at it this way…. what if Heidi wanted to SPREAD the guilt around?   Doesn’t it make sense that if Heidi wanted to point her fat little fingers at someone to make them the scapegoat – it would make sense to point them in the direction of Becky?  It’s already common knowledge that the ducks have been suspicious of her in the past.  So wouldn’t it benefit her to try and put Becky’s head on the chopping block so to speak?  If she could.

 Just because Becky seems to be on the side of the ducks (by way of the lawsuit) doesn’t necessarily make her one of us.  That’s true!  Maybe she’s the “Judas” among us?  And it does leave a nasty taste in my mouth to even think that way. YUCK!    BUT! and it’s a very BIG BUT, this in NO WAY negates the damage and criminal tactics of Heidi Kimberly Diaz.  Becky may be guilty of her own crimes… (maybe not!)  but until she starts (or we can prove that she already has been) taking innocent victim’s money at the expense of their health, I’m going to look beyond her and keep watching Heidi.    I agree there is plenty to learn about Becky!!  And, when and if, it’s found out that she is somehow still involved with Heidi…. and acting as a double agent (wolf in sheep’s clothing)….. that’s when Becky will need to be addressed.  And believe me when I say, I’ll be looking for it.  But, for now, my radar is still on Heidi and her future (or unknown) scams.  To me, she is a MUCH BIGGER THREAT!!!

If the “shoe” comment and the “fedup” comment weren’t written by Heidi, then who? “Martina”?????   If you’re out there and want to give us more information – please leave a comment here.  I’d love to know more about the information you’ve given us above.  Help us put the dots together… so we can have a clearer picture of what you are trying to say. 

 

No Apology for the Trolls!

Posted in kimkins with tags , , , , , , , on February 16, 2008 by kimkinscam

Some people have cried “Fowl” for the treatment or handeling of the “trolls” that seem to appear at the strangest times on the Fascination Thread.  Timing is everything…. and I won’t for a minute believe that the latest spotting of the most recent troll had anything other than distraction on their agenda.  The discussion had once again moved in the direction of the relationship between Kimmer and the Magic chicken Diet and BAM, in comes Martina – stage left!   Just like they were given a cue!  Two important pieces of information had been brought out into the open just before “her” entry.  One – The name of a web designer and his resume (the link was posted) and it was insinuated that this person could have helped both Heidi and Bonnie with their respective sites.  He is located in California.  And Two – Barbara B. posted a screen shot of Bonnie Luper’s previous residences.  One of which was Riverside, Ca.   Same town Heidi lives in.  Now, what an opportune time for a troll to enter onto the scene.   This was certainly NOT someone looking for answers or asking for help.  This troll HAD the answers and was telling the ducks to give up on their search for more evidence.  The ducks were told to let the courts handle Heidi and to get on with their lives.  

Now, the ducks are being accused of “friendly fire” or “Fratricide” on the troll.  Friendly Fire, Fratricide?  So let’s define these terms:

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Friendly fire or non-hostile fire, a term originally adopted by the United States military, is fire from allied or friendly forces, as opposed to fire coming from enemy forces or enemy fire. A friendly fire incident (fratricide), is when allied soldiers or their artillery, base camp, vehicles, etc. are attacked and damaged by friendly fire[1] which may be deliberate or accidental (e.g. missing the enemy and hitting “friendlies”). Friendly fire is one kind of collateral damage. The term friendly fire is frequently used as a euphemism in military culture and frequently seen as an oxymoron. The term is also used in many video games for a setting which determines if players in the same team can damage and kill each other.

 Fratricide versus Friendly Fire

Some prefer the term fratricide over friendly fire, because they deem the latter to be an unfitting euphemism exemplified by the aphorism “there’s nothing friendly about getting shot by your own side.”[1] However, the origin and purpose of the term is as a simple distinction to enemy fire.[citation needed] Both terms serve only to identify the source of an attack as coming from enemy (hostile) or friendly forces and not the nature of an attack.

The term amicicide(killing of a friend) has also been used in the same manner as fratricide (Shrader 1982).

 KILLING OF A FRIEND???

No – I’m not seeing that!  In fact, what I saw was a lot of restraint and patience with the latest troll on the Fascination with Kimmer thread.  She came into the thread with guns drawn and ready to do battle.  Now maybe that was because she expected to be stoned, I don’t know.  But, it was apparent that she wanted the ducks to know that she disapproved of their tactics and actions regarding the investigation of Kimkins scam.  Just like many before her, she accused the ducks of having no life and of hindering the case by continuing the investigation of Heidi Diaz.  It has been stated many times that the ducks should back off and stop “turning over every stone” to find more of the truth.  I for one, have grown tired of the insults and innuendo.  I resent the fact that some think our tactics and motives are questionable.  Are these naysayers out there doing anything different?  Anything at all?  Are they working to find a way to keep anyone else from falling victim to the Kimkins scam?   My guess is that NO they aren’t.  But they probably appreciate the fact that kimmer is facing the music for hurting so many people.  But, what they fail to realize is that without the ducks, it would not have happened.  And without the ducks, she would still be drawing in thousands of members and fattening up her bank account at the expense of so many people’s health. 

Today, on Prudentia’s blogit was written that we (the ducks) may have stepped over the line and committed “friendly fire” where Martina was concerned.  OK, if so – how?  What exactly is our crime this time?  Is it that we defended ourselves from the sarcastic remarks brought on by Martina?  Or were we expected to just sit back and let the insults fly?  Her insults and sarcasm were THICK!  Were we somehow supposed to  know that this particular troll had some kind of evidence or information that might have been helpful in the case.  How was anyone to know what her intentions were?  Her cryptic double talk was annoying at the very least.  She was slinging insults at every turn.  Many before her have come only to start trouble and cause distraction.  Yet, somehow the ducks were supposed to be able to look beyond all that and just know that she had something of relevance to add to the cause.   Many said nothing in response to her insults!  Most of the participants on the FWK thread ignored her!  Most agree that “feeding the trolls” causes more trouble than it’s worth.  And that was the trend.  But, those that did respond to Martina, did so in fairness and with honesty.  A little Snarkiness, maybe.  But, not with anger or hatred.  And I certainly would not call it “KILLING A FRIEND”.

So I have to respectfully disagree with Prudentia’s post on “Friendly Fire” –  Yes, this is a war – it’s a war against Heidi! 

Wolf In Sheep’s Clothing

Posted in Uncategorized with tags , , , , , on January 31, 2008 by kimkinscam

Are you a WOLF or SHEEP?

Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing

Fable of Aesop… 

According to the fable, a hungry wolf came upon a sheep‘s fleece lying on the on ground in a field. The wolf realized that if it wore the fleece, it would look like a sheep from a distance. That would enable the wolf to sneak up on a flock of sheep and steal a lamb for its supper, before the shepherd noticed his presence.The wolf put on the fleece, and went off in search of a flock of sheep. It spied a flock of sheep just as the sun was setting, and approached the flock. Just as it was about to pounce on a lamb, a shepherd came by, looking for a sheep to slaughter for supper. Thinking the disguised wolf was a sheep, the shepherd quickly grabbed and killed the wolf.An alternate version is, another wolf is sneaking around looking for a sheep for dinner, and pounces on the wolf in sheep’s clothing, killing it and eating it for supper instead of a real sheep.

The intended lesson was, “Frauds and liars are always discovered, eventually, and pay for their actions accordingly.”

The above passage was taken from here

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Hey, Kimmer!

Make sure you re-read that last line of the Fable.

Now, my initial reason for blogging about “wolves in sheep’s clothing”  was to use it here, in this blog, to talk about the sock-puppets, double agents, etc… in regards to this SAGA called the “Kimkins Controversy”.  Because there seems to be a handful of pro-Kimkins supporters wandering around the anti kk blogs spewing their nonsense, it’s become important, for me, to understand why.   Some go by a “screen name” and others, just “anonymous”.  They leave “drive by” comments on the blogs in support of the diet and the con artist, herself.

One in particular comes to mind and she knows who she is. She apparently is a whole lot more dangerous than the others. 

At-least, in her own mind. 

In the middle of this fight against KK and Heidi Diaz, there are challenges and contests, undercover operations, data collection operations and reporting information efforts to the attorneys involved in the case.  There are pleas to Federal authorities, article writers and affiliates to stop supporting this dangerous woman and her website.  Evidence is collected, shared and saved for future needs.  Blogs are being implemented in an attempt to help spread the word and inform the public to the dangers of the Kimkins diet.

My question today is, who is on the up and up and who isn’t?  Could it be that there is a duck (or ducks) among us who is acting as a double agent?  Someone who is pretending to be helpful and in support of our mission, yet isn’t?  All the while, being in cahoots with Heidi Diaz and actually supporting the Kimkins starvation diet.   In my opinion, the idea of this being true, is ALMOST worse than being Heidi, herself.  Who, in their right mind, would knowingly and deceptively try to undermine the efforts of the “real ducks”?   

What, exactly would be gained by such efforts?  Would it be just to stop the uncovering of Heidi’s fraud?  It doesn’t make sense!  She has already admitted to such.  She admits on the front page of her site that she is a Con and has committed Fraud.  Would it be to simply keep the ducks from spreading the word about this unhealthy diet?  If so, why wouldn’t they (even the followers) want others to be careful with their health?  Why is it so hard to see how much pain and suffering former members have had to go through for following this diet?  Wouldn’t it be the humane thing to do to warn potential victims of the price already paid by those that have already followed the diet and have become victims themselves – in the effort to keep others from following suit?

It’s disgusting to me to realize that there are those that would be so inhumane, heartless, callous and evil.  Those, that would knowingly undermine the efforts of the people who only have the best interests of others in mind, can only be called deranged and unbalanced.  

So again – I ask – WHAT IS YOUR AGENDA?

What are you trying to gain?

To help you (the reader) understand where this post is coming from.  I leave you with this….From the comments left at 2Big4MySize’s Blog…. 

By: Dana on January 23, 2008          
at 4:15 pm

I have not been proven wrong on anything. I am doing Kimkins AS WRITTEN. Whether you choose to believe that or not. I have discussed what I eat with Kimmer several times. She has never, not one time, EVER told me to eat less of anything. Run away? LOL from what? I am just done talking to you. I am going to be promoting the plan as much and as often as I can. By the way, you admitted to being banned, yet you and your little ducks continue to go into the site. Interesting indeed! Too bad you cannot come out with more accurate information. Also, how is YOUR WEIGHT LOSS GOING? 

By: Dana on January 23, 2008
at 4:33 pm

Great job on the weight loss! Now would it surprise you to know that I am pretending to be one of your little duckie friends on those threads? Try and guess which one. I don’t think you can but if you do, I will admit to it to you. 

By: 2big4mysize on January 23, 2008
at 4:41 pm

You know for somebody who was so disgusted with LCF and the FWK topic you actually joined kimkins.con and then wonder about the ducks going in and out of the kimkins.con site quietly keeping tabs on that dangerous diet I’m amazed you’d post something like that. Trying to stir up dissention in the ranks by causing ducks to distrust each other? Not only a coward would claim they value their friendship with hiedi and support her yet be too faced about it and claim to be a duck posting antikimmer and kimkins info.
Since LCFS is a free site and anybody can read any topic I’d believe you are simply a lurker wannabe
 

By: Dana on January 23, 2008
at 4:52 pm

LOL. You go ahead and believe whatever you choose to believe. If its good for the goose, its good for the gander, right? It’s ok if you guys do it, but not us? Right! There are more than you even know. 

By: 2big4mysize on January 23, 2008
at 7:47 pm

Dana Dana Dana
you need to keep your comments straight. you are the one who was upset ducks were still going into Kimkins, not me. LCFs is a free place to visit, read and and post to. membership is free. All are welcome.
I feel it is hypocritical for somebody to pretend to be Kimmers friend and post in that topic against her is all, which you are saying you do. There is no goose nor gander here. Ducks do not pretend to like Kimmer inside the kimpire now do they?
If you wish to continue to discuss the dangers of the kimkins diet you are more then welcome to keep posting here. I would welcome new information that Kimmer is making the kimkins diet healthier, but alas you have no new news to share about the plan. Still cals too low and healthy needed fats too low.
 

By exposing this here, It might start some fireworks on the FWK thread and I really don’t want people to become paranoid – but I think it’s important to bring this to the attention of others who may not have seen this exchange…. so that they can be careful who they share information with. 

It bothers me (deeply) to think that there are people who want to undermine the efforts of bringing Heidi to justice and those that don’t mind watching people suffer from following a very dangerous diet.

 

Those are MY thoughts….. what’s yours?