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A Warm, Welcome Back!

Posted in kimkins with tags , , , , , on April 29, 2008 by kimkinscam

Here’s the warm welcome I received shortly after publishing my first post in a month (see comment section of “I’m back” post).  It would seem the trolls are out in full force – ready to do battle – and just gunning for a fight. 

Well, I’ve had a little rest and am ready to go at it, if you’d like. 

 

I’m Back, 2008/04/28 at 5:38 PM 2008/04/28
 

Get Real
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The only thing dark and dangerous about the diet has been the pathetic people with agenda’s trying to place blame when they have had other previous underlying eating disorders or psychological issues all along that caused them to take it to extremes.

From I’m Back, 2008/04/28 at 2:03 PM

So let’s discuss this:

Get Real, so what you’re saying is that all those folks who took Heidi’s advice and followed the diet exactly the way she intended and were harmed – all of them had underlying psychological issues and preexisting eating disorders???

Really?

I would have to wholeheartedly disagree with you on that one.  But, even if it were true (which it’s not) are you therefore claiming that Heidi WAS targeting those types of people?  Are you saying that she knew that those that would listen and follow her advice would do MORE harm to themselves by following this diet, considering how low in every category this VLC diet is?  It seems to me that you are saying exactly that.  That you believe that Heidi put this diet out there, knowing full well that she would harm others.  You are saying that those that follow this way of eating and took it to extremes (which is exactly what Heidi asked them to do) were already psychologically impaired and already dealing with eating disorder issues.  WOW! Now, isn’t that interesting?  Sounds like an admittance of guilt to me.  Why would someone, knowingly harm others?  Why wouldn’t she ask these, so called, psychologically impaired members to seek professional (medical) help?  I’ll tell you why!  Because she’s a Cold Hearted, Money Hungry, Con Artist that has no regard for her fellow man.  If that’s not “dark and dangerous” – I DON”T KNOW WHAT IS!!!

Good try, though, on trying to cause a ruckus.  But, next time maybe you ought to think through the scenario BEFORE you post a comment.  I think you confirmed my point on this dangerous diet.

 

 

 

 

 

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Magic Chicken Diet – Kimkins Time Line (revised again)

Posted in kimkins with tags , , , , , , , on March 27, 2008 by kimkinscam

Chicken dates in RED –  Kimkins dates in white

  • 9/23/02– Bonnie’s brother registers his candle site candleboxcandles dot com through DomainPeople, Inc.
  • 4/22/06 – With the agreement of Heidi Diaz, Kimkins.com is registered in Catherine MacDonald’s name at GoDaddy.com
  • 4/25/06 – The partnership agreement between Catherine and Heidi was signed
  • 6/08/06 – Kimmer leaves LCF and opens Kimkins.com
  • 6/12/06 – Tippy joins Kimkins and quickly starts the Kimmer Foster Kid Challenge
  • 8/01/06 – Bonnie claims to have started her diet
  • 9/06/06 – Catherine requests a renegotiation of the buyout clause
  • 9/07/06– Bonnie registered her candle site through HostMonster
  • 9/24/06 – Tippy quits posting at KK and goes back to LCF
  • 12/30/06 – Tippy returns to KK for 11 days and them goes back to LCF
  • 4/07 –      Christin has a Womans’ World photoshoot in California
  • 5/02/07– MCD website is registered
  • 6/10/07– Bonnie’s husband, David places an ad at GetAFreelancer for a “CLONE” of Kimkins.
  • 6/12/07 – Bonnie’s 50th Birthday – She has lost 160 pounds in 10 months
  • 6/12/07 – Woman’s World Kimkins article hits the news stands
  • 6/15/07 – Kimmer’s Classmate.com picture posted on ALC
  • 6/26/07 – The “Fascination With Kimmer” thread begins at LCF.  First post by “Paula Jayne” asking about Kimmer’s before and after picture.
  • 6/28/07 – Another “Texas Candle Factory” site is registered.   
  • 7/20/07 – The MCD site is launched.   $19.95 will buy the first 200 members a lifetime membership.
  • 7/26/07 – Kimmer (?) posts an ad for a Freelancer at GetAFreelancer.com to be a “sockpuppet”(same site David made an inquiry for the MCD website)
  • 7/27/07 – Jimmy Moores apologizes and cuts ties with Kimkins
  • 8/14/07 – Email exchange between Heidi & Christin about “law” mentions hiding money
  • 8/16/07 – Becky leaves Kimkins – Other admins. leave shortly after.
  • 8/27/07 – After the original admins had left KK – Tippy started posting again at KK
  • 9/1/07 – Tippy is now Heidi’s “right hand man”
  • 9/05/07 – Real pictures of Heidi Diaz (Kimmer) were released.
  • 9/07/07 – Heidi receives complaint from BBB and the CA Medical Board
  • 9/10/07 – The Class Action Lawsuit is underway.  Thank you, Jeanessa!
  • 9/11/07– Bonnie posts her first comment on her site.  She also trys her hand at marketing – by creating a couple of MySpace profiles and uploading pictures and videos of her weight loss success.  She has jumped in with both feet at this point.
  • 9/24/07  – Heidi forms Halcyon Web,LLC  & Sharp Plumbing,LLC
  • 10/3/07 – KTLA airs the story on Kimmer and the Kimkins diet
  • 10/4/07 – Many of the KK success story’s before and after photos were proved FAKE – Found on Russian bride mail order sites.
  • 10/4/07 – Kimmer sends email stating that Kimkins was now under new management.
  • 10/06/07 – Kimmer’s “red dress” after photo – FOUND!  another Russian Bride “Lesya”
  • 10/6/07–  Bonnie’s brother modifies his site through DomainPeople, Inc.
  • 10/6/07 – Ducky stops posting
  • 10/9/07 – Dr. Mark joins Kimkins
  • 10/18/07 – Heidi withdraws $878,253.79 from investment account
  • 11/09/07 – Heidi writes check to the US Treasury Department $700,000 & $100,000  to the Franchise Tax Board
  • 11/09/07 – Heidi pays cash for a $440,000 house
  • 11/12/07 – FOX’s The Morning Show with Mike and Juliet discusses Kimkins with Christin, Deni, Tippy Toes and SingingLass.
  • 11/12/07 – Kimmer meets with John T. for her deposition – Assets FROZEN
  • 11/16/07 – The Court entered an order to issue a Writ of Attachment on Heidi’s assets
  • 11/23/07 – Heidi’s SSDI benefits were terminated
  • 11/27/07 – Tippy posts at KK that she is taking a computer break
  • 11/27/07 – Tippy joins Amy at “Eating Low” under the name of JeannieLynn
  • 11/28/07 – Another KTLA update on Kimkins
  • 12/04/07 – Tippy leaves the Kimpound and tries to find another home at “eating low with Amy”
  • 12/07/07 – Amyb gets banned from Kimkins (the first time)
  • 12/9/07 – Bonnie decides to increase the “introductory” price to $69.95. (WOW- such a big jump for such a new company) Even though it is believed that there were only 20 members on board at this time.  And most, if not all were personal friends of Bonnie’s
  • 12/10/07– Marisol discovers the Magic Chicken Diet and posts about it on her blog
  • 12/13/07  – Hulon Pate (David and Bonnie’s “son-in-law”) leaves a comment on Marisol’s blog.
  • 12/13/07– Becky’s rant, defending the chicken lady, at Jimmy Moore’s site and stomping all over the folks at LCF.
  • 12/13/07– The MCD website goes down
  • 12/14/07– Hulon Pate, Bonnie’s son-in-law, leaves a comment on Marisol’s blog
  • 12/14/07 – Brian and Heather (former front page success stories) leave KK and start CampCarbAway with Tippy
  • 12/15/07 – (according to Tippy’s shortlived blog) Heidi Diaz sends an email to Brian (at the Camp) claiming to have shut down the MCD website
  • 12/16/07 – Bonnie’s magic chicken dot net site was registered
  • 12/17/07– Yust Yucky posts a copy of the MCD diet in pdf form.
  • 12/20/2007– The Lupers registered the MCD dot net site. 
  • 12/24/07 – Fawn starts her FIRST blog – praising Kimmer and Tippy
  • 1/03/08 – Kimmer raises membership fee at Kimkins to $79.95
  • 1/19/08 – Kimkins makes the Good Morning America show on ABC
  • 1/23/08 –  Heidi’s second deposition with John Tiedt
  • 1/23/08 – Bonnie offers Amyb a FREE membership to MCD and tells her to be sure to post pictures.
  • 1/31/08– Someone installed new software at the main MCD site and ALL 70 posts went POOF – GONE!  
  • 2/04/08  – Bonnie (?) modified the MCDdot NET site through HostMonster
  • 2/6/08– Bonnie modified her candle site through HostMonster
  • 2/6/08  – Someone started a VERY UGLY posting rampage at the MCD dot net site.  It was apparent that the “ducks” had ticked Bonnie and/or David off.  The ramblings were painful to read and seemed to be written by a very disturbed person.  It stayed that way for a few weeks and then it was changed.
  • 2/8/08 – Amyb emails Bonnie (2nd time) about the Magic Chicken Diet membership
  • 2/10/08 – Bonnie becomes snarky with Amyb (through emails) about posting pictures  – and defensive about the site.  Bonnie tells Amyb through e-mails that she now wants pictures–“Only when you start this plan not someone elses that would not be honest.” Bonnie also knows (though Amyb never told her) that Amyb lost her weight on Kimkins.
  • 2/18/08 – Fawn requests refund from Kimmer and leaves the Kimpound
  • 2/24/08 – Amyb gets banned from Kimkins AGAIN
  • 2/28/08 – Fawn reports that she has received her refund from Kimmer
  • 3/15/08 – Singinglass becomes a SockPuppet at LCF – (as LittleSina) – What was her motive??
  • 3/24/08 – The admins at LCF found out that Singinglass was LittleSina and closed her account.
  • 3/28/08 – Kimkins is featured on Headline Legal News Insider Exclusive

I have taken My time-line, Marisol’s time-line and additional information sent to me, through comments and emails, to come up with this revised list of dates.  If you have anything to add to this list, please send it to me and I will post it here.  Thanks everyone.  

7 Comments »

  1. WOW! What a fantastic timeline! I can’t imagine how long it must have taken you to put that all together.

Great job, MJR!My blog: MedusaComment by Medusa | March 19, 2008 | Edit

  1. What a great resource this is!

Here’s another date: 11/12/07 – FOX’s The Morning Show with Mike and Juliet discusses Kimkins with Christin, Deni, Tippy Toes and SingingLass.Comment by Anonymous | March 20, 2008 | Edit

  1. wow that is great and a lot of work.

since you have ducky stops posting you might see where Ducky switches focus from Jimmy Moore to Kimkins.comKimmerstarted on the time line and see if any MCD changes happened then also.Comment by 2big4mysize | March 20, 2008 | Edit

  1. Absolutely BRILLIANT! Thank you thank you, it really helps to be able to view the sequence of events lined out like this. Way to go, MJ!!!!!

Comment by yustyucky | March 24, 2008 | Edit

  1. Hey, has Tippy stated on what date she was given a free membership at the MCD?

How about AmyB? Just curious.Thanks again! GREAT work, MJ!!Comment by yustyucky | March 24, 2008 | Edit

  1. I left my comment on the previous post. Here it is:
    Great job! I just have this to add:
    # The MCD website goes down on December 13, 2007
    # Hulon Pate, Bonnie’s son-in-law, leaves a comment on my blog on December 14, 3:30 AM
    # On December 15 (according to Tippy’s shortlived blog) Heidi Diaz sends an email to Brian (at the Camp) claiming to have shut down the MCD website

Comment by mariasol | March 26, 2008 | Edit

  1. Mariasol,

I have added these dates to the time line. Thanks so much for your input. It’s very interesting to me to see the back and forth – cause & effect ??- going on between the two sites. It really makes you wonder how much Heidi has to do with MCD. Mjr

Revised time-line

Posted in kimkins with tags , , , , , , , on March 18, 2008 by kimkinscam

Chicken dates in RED –  Kimkins dates in white

  • 9/23/02– Bonnie’s brother registers his candle site candleboxcandles dot com through DomainPeople, Inc.
  • 4/22/06 – With the agreement of Heidi Diaz, Kimkins.com is registered in Catherine MacDonald’s name at GoDaddy.com
  • 4/25/06 – The partnership agreement between Catherine and Heidi was signed
  • 6/08/06 – Kimmer leaves LCF and opens Kimkins.com
  • 6/12/06 – Tippy joins Kimkins and quickly starts the Kimmer Foster Kid Challenge
  • 8/01/06 – Bonnie claims to have started her diet
  • 9/06/06 – Catherine requests a renegotiation of the buyout clause
  • 9/07/06– Bonnie registered her candle site through HostMonster
  • 9/24/06 – Tippy quits posting at KK and goes back to LCF
  • 12/30/06 – Tippy returns to KK for 11 days and them goes back to LCF
  • 4/07 –      Christin has a Womans’ World photoshoot in California
  • 5/02/07– MCD website is registered
  • 6/10/07– Bonnie’s husband, David places an ad at GetAFreelancer for a “CLONE” of Kimkins.
  • 6/12/07 – Bonnie’s 50th Birthday – She has lost 160 pounds in 10 months
  • 6/12/07 – Woman’s World Kimkins article hits the news stands
  • 6/26/07 – The “Fascination With Kimmer” thread begins at LCF.  First post by “Paula Jayne” asking about Kimmer’s before and after picture.
  • 6/28/07 – Another “Texas Candle Factory” site is registered. 
  • 7/03/07 – Kimmer’s Classmate.com picture found by “Tooter” at LCF
  • 7/20/07 – The MCD site is launched.   $19.95 will buy the first 200 members a lifetime membership.
  • 7/26/07 – Kimmer (?) posts an ad for a Freelancer at GetAFreelancer.com to be a “sockpuppet”(same site David made an inquiry for the MCD website)
  • 7/27/07 – Jimmy Moores apologizes and cuts ties with Kimkins
  • 8/14/07 – Email exchange between Heidi & Christin about “law” mentions hiding money
  • 8/16/07 – Becky leaves Kimkins – Other admins. leave shortly after.
  • 8/27/07 – After the original admins had left KK – Tippy started posting again at KK
  • 9/1/07 – Tippy is now Heidi’s “right hand man”
  • 9/05/07 – Real pictures of Heidi Diaz (Kimmer) were released.
  • 9/07/07 – Heidi receives complaint from BBB and the CA Medical Board
  • 9/10/07 – The Class Action Lawsuit is underway.  Thank you, Jeanessa!
  • 9/11/07– Bonnie posts her first comment on her site.  She also trys her hand at marketing – by creating a couple of MySpace profiles and uploading pictures and videos of her weight loss success.  She has jumped in with both feet at this point.
  • 9/24/07  – Heidi forms Halcyon Web,LLC  & Sharp Plumbing,LLC
  • 10/3/07 – KTLA airs the story on Kimmer and the Kimkins diet
  • 10/4/07 – Many of the KK success story’s before and after photos were proved FAKE – Found on Russian bride mail order sites.
  • 10/4/07 – Kimmer sends email stating that Kimkins was now under new management.
  • 10/06/07 – Kimmer’s “red dress” after photo – FOUND!  another Russian Bride “Lesya”
  • 10/6/07–  Bonnie’s brother modifies his site through DomainPeople, Inc.
  • 10/6/07 – Ducky stops posting
  • 10/9/07 – Dr. Mark joins Kimkins
  • 10/18/07 – Heidi withdraws $878,253.79 from investment account
  • 11/09/07 – Heidi writes check to the US Treasury Department $700,000 & $100,000  to the Franchise Tax Board
  • 11/09/07 – Heidi pays cash for a $440,000 house
  • 11/12/07 – FOX’s The Morning Show with Mike and Juliet discusses Kimkins with Christin, Deni, Tippy Toes and SingingLass.
  • 11/12/07 – Kimmer meets with John T. for her deposition – Assets FROZEN
  • 11/16/07 – The Court entered an order to issue a Writ of Attachment on Heidi’s assets
  • 11/23/07 – Heidi’s SSDI benefits were terminated
  • 11/27/07 – Tippy posts at KK that she is taking a computer break
  • 11/27/07 – Tippy joins Amy at “Eating Low” under the name of JeannieLynn
  • 11/28/07 – Another KTLA update on Kimkins
  • 12/04/07 – Tippy leaves the Kimpound and tries to find another home at “eating low with Amy”
  • 12/9/07 – Bonnie decides to increase the “introductory” price to $69.95. (WOW- such a big jump for such a new company) Even though it is believed that there were only 20 members on board at this time.  And most, if not all were personal friends of Bonnie’s
  • 12/10/07– Marisol discovers the Magic Chicken Diet and posts about it on her blog
  • 12/13/07  – Hulon Pate (David and Bonnie’s “son-in-law”) leaves a comment on Marisol’s blog.
  • 12/13/07– Becky’s rant, defending the chicken lady, at Jimmy Moore’s site and stomping all over the folks at LCF.
  • 12/13/07 – The MCD website goes down
  • 12/14/07 – Hulon Pate, Bonnie’s son-in-law, leaves a comment on Marisol’s blog
  • 12/14/07 – Brian and Heather (former front page success stories) leave KK and start CampCarbAway with Tippy
  • 12/15/07 – (according to Tippy’s shortlived blog) Heidi Diaz sends an email to Brian (at the Camp) claiming to have shut down the MCD website
  • 12/16/07 – Bonnie’s magic chicken dot net site was registered
  • 12/17/07– Yust Yucky posts a copy of the MCD diet in pdf form.
  • 12/20/2007– The Lupers registered the MCD dot net site. 
  • 12/24/07 – Fawn starts her FIRST blog – praising Kimmer and Tippy
  • 1/03/08 – Kimmer raises membership fee at Kimkins to $79.95
  • 1/19/08 – Kimkins makes the Good Morning America show on ABC
  • 1/23/08 –  Heidi’s second deposition with John Tiedt
  • 1/31/08– Someone installed new software at the main MCD site and ALL 70 posts went POOF – GONE!  
  • 2/04/08  – Bonnie (?) modified the MCDdot NET site through HostMonster
  • 2/6/08– Bonnie modified her candle site through HostMonster
  • 2/6/08  – Someone started a VERY UGLY posting rampage at the MCD dot net site.  It was apparent that the “ducks” had ticked Bonnie and/or David off.  The ramblings were painful to read and seemed to be written by a very disturbed person.  It stayed that way for a few weeks and then it was changed.
  • 2/18/08 – Fawn requests refund from Kimmer and leaves the Kimpound
  • 2/28/08 – Fawn reports that she has received her refund from Kimmer

I have taken my time-line, Marisol’s time-line and additional information sent to me, through comments and emails, to come up with this revised list of dates.  If you have anything to add to this list, please send it to me and I will post it here.  Thanks everyone.

More Cryptic Messages

Posted in kimkins with tags , , , , , , , , , , on February 21, 2008 by kimkinscam

I’d like to rewind a little and revisit a few comments that had me scratching my head the other day.  At first, I thought these comments were left by our friendly (or not so friendly) troll “Martina.”  Now, I’m not so sure!  Only because I’ve had a few days to digest it all and have come to the conclusion that maybe they were left by someone other than Martina.  After-all, Martina was not shy about putting her/his name on their comments.  So why would he/she use these names to identify them-self?  Unless they just wanted to keep the ducks guessing and cause more confusion. 

In case you missed it…. here are the comments that were posted at mariasol’s blog    2/14/08  &  2/16/08  

(remember Heidi was due to go before the judge on 2/18/08 to try to get her money unfrozen)

the other shoe said…
One. Name that tune: “They will not rest, apparently, until Tippy’s site and this lady’s site and anyplace else current Kimkins members might really fell warmly welcomed is gone.”Two. Name that step. Three. Name that set which consists of those sets b, bb, hb, jbb, jmb.
Then when no one  really made an effort to figure out the puzzle, this comment was left on 2/16/08
fedup said…
One. Name that tune: “They will not rest, apparently, until Tippy’s site and this lady’s site and anyplace else current Kimkins members might really fell warmly welcomed is gone.” = Becky mad cause she n Tippy in bidnez together, gonna quick rich get, hawking Kimkins diet by any other name. Where to set up shop? Inside the Jimpire? Oh no you don’t say the Jimmy. And all the Jimmyjoes say Oh no you don’t, mama don’t allow no Tippy toein round here. Becky all hmmph n poo on yall, ain’t no big thang’ cause see she got someplace else to go.
Two.  Name that step.= Texas Two Step. Becky n Bonnie in bidnez together, gonna quick rich get, hawking Kimkins diet by any other name. Where to set up shop? Inside the Chicken coop? Oh no you don’t say the Nancies. And all the Ducks say Oh no you don’t, mama don’t allow no finger lickin round here. Becky all hmmph n poo on yall, and it’s a big thang now cause see she runnin outa someplace elses to go.

Three. Name that set which consists of those sets b, bb, hb, jbb, jmb.= MCD.net exit here Becky, Becky&Bonnie, Heidi&Becky, Jeannie&Becky, Jimmy&Becky. Get on out here. We — the people — the fed up with your greed, your lies, your conniving and your coverups — we’ve had it. Get out. You don’t have to go home but you can’t stay here.

  I almost missed the last comment.  I just happened to go back to see if anyone had responded since my last visit —  and there it was.  Someone was trying desperately to “out” Becky.  Does this have anything to do with Heidi’s court date?  Afterall, she is trying really hard to get her assets “unfrozen”  – Could Heidi have left these comments?  If not, then who else has it out for Becky?  Who is trying to make Becky look as bad as Heidi?  

Now, let me make this perfectly clear, I’m no Becky fan – not after her previous delivery of a hand grenade into the midst of the ducks –  but, if these above comments are accurate,  Becky’s “greed” and “need to cuddle up” to the likes of Tippy Toes, Kimmer, Jimmy Moore and Bonnie are her own short comings (Shameful, YES).  None of us want to see ANOTHER KIMKINS SITE!!  Even if they want to call it something else.  But, this doesn’t add up to fraud (IMO).  Heidi Diaz seems to have invented the words fraud and scam artist.   Let’s look at it this way…. what if Heidi wanted to SPREAD the guilt around?   Doesn’t it make sense that if Heidi wanted to point her fat little fingers at someone to make them the scapegoat – it would make sense to point them in the direction of Becky?  It’s already common knowledge that the ducks have been suspicious of her in the past.  So wouldn’t it benefit her to try and put Becky’s head on the chopping block so to speak?  If she could.

 Just because Becky seems to be on the side of the ducks (by way of the lawsuit) doesn’t necessarily make her one of us.  That’s true!  Maybe she’s the “Judas” among us?  And it does leave a nasty taste in my mouth to even think that way. YUCK!    BUT! and it’s a very BIG BUT, this in NO WAY negates the damage and criminal tactics of Heidi Kimberly Diaz.  Becky may be guilty of her own crimes… (maybe not!)  but until she starts (or we can prove that she already has been) taking innocent victim’s money at the expense of their health, I’m going to look beyond her and keep watching Heidi.    I agree there is plenty to learn about Becky!!  And, when and if, it’s found out that she is somehow still involved with Heidi…. and acting as a double agent (wolf in sheep’s clothing)….. that’s when Becky will need to be addressed.  And believe me when I say, I’ll be looking for it.  But, for now, my radar is still on Heidi and her future (or unknown) scams.  To me, she is a MUCH BIGGER THREAT!!!

If the “shoe” comment and the “fedup” comment weren’t written by Heidi, then who? “Martina”?????   If you’re out there and want to give us more information – please leave a comment here.  I’d love to know more about the information you’ve given us above.  Help us put the dots together… so we can have a clearer picture of what you are trying to say. 

 

No Apology for the Trolls!

Posted in kimkins with tags , , , , , , , on February 16, 2008 by kimkinscam

Some people have cried “Fowl” for the treatment or handeling of the “trolls” that seem to appear at the strangest times on the Fascination Thread.  Timing is everything…. and I won’t for a minute believe that the latest spotting of the most recent troll had anything other than distraction on their agenda.  The discussion had once again moved in the direction of the relationship between Kimmer and the Magic chicken Diet and BAM, in comes Martina – stage left!   Just like they were given a cue!  Two important pieces of information had been brought out into the open just before “her” entry.  One – The name of a web designer and his resume (the link was posted) and it was insinuated that this person could have helped both Heidi and Bonnie with their respective sites.  He is located in California.  And Two – Barbara B. posted a screen shot of Bonnie Luper’s previous residences.  One of which was Riverside, Ca.   Same town Heidi lives in.  Now, what an opportune time for a troll to enter onto the scene.   This was certainly NOT someone looking for answers or asking for help.  This troll HAD the answers and was telling the ducks to give up on their search for more evidence.  The ducks were told to let the courts handle Heidi and to get on with their lives.  

Now, the ducks are being accused of “friendly fire” or “Fratricide” on the troll.  Friendly Fire, Fratricide?  So let’s define these terms:

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Friendly fire or non-hostile fire, a term originally adopted by the United States military, is fire from allied or friendly forces, as opposed to fire coming from enemy forces or enemy fire. A friendly fire incident (fratricide), is when allied soldiers or their artillery, base camp, vehicles, etc. are attacked and damaged by friendly fire[1] which may be deliberate or accidental (e.g. missing the enemy and hitting “friendlies”). Friendly fire is one kind of collateral damage. The term friendly fire is frequently used as a euphemism in military culture and frequently seen as an oxymoron. The term is also used in many video games for a setting which determines if players in the same team can damage and kill each other.

 Fratricide versus Friendly Fire

Some prefer the term fratricide over friendly fire, because they deem the latter to be an unfitting euphemism exemplified by the aphorism “there’s nothing friendly about getting shot by your own side.”[1] However, the origin and purpose of the term is as a simple distinction to enemy fire.[citation needed] Both terms serve only to identify the source of an attack as coming from enemy (hostile) or friendly forces and not the nature of an attack.

The term amicicide(killing of a friend) has also been used in the same manner as fratricide (Shrader 1982).

 KILLING OF A FRIEND???

No – I’m not seeing that!  In fact, what I saw was a lot of restraint and patience with the latest troll on the Fascination with Kimmer thread.  She came into the thread with guns drawn and ready to do battle.  Now maybe that was because she expected to be stoned, I don’t know.  But, it was apparent that she wanted the ducks to know that she disapproved of their tactics and actions regarding the investigation of Kimkins scam.  Just like many before her, she accused the ducks of having no life and of hindering the case by continuing the investigation of Heidi Diaz.  It has been stated many times that the ducks should back off and stop “turning over every stone” to find more of the truth.  I for one, have grown tired of the insults and innuendo.  I resent the fact that some think our tactics and motives are questionable.  Are these naysayers out there doing anything different?  Anything at all?  Are they working to find a way to keep anyone else from falling victim to the Kimkins scam?   My guess is that NO they aren’t.  But they probably appreciate the fact that kimmer is facing the music for hurting so many people.  But, what they fail to realize is that without the ducks, it would not have happened.  And without the ducks, she would still be drawing in thousands of members and fattening up her bank account at the expense of so many people’s health. 

Today, on Prudentia’s blogit was written that we (the ducks) may have stepped over the line and committed “friendly fire” where Martina was concerned.  OK, if so – how?  What exactly is our crime this time?  Is it that we defended ourselves from the sarcastic remarks brought on by Martina?  Or were we expected to just sit back and let the insults fly?  Her insults and sarcasm were THICK!  Were we somehow supposed to  know that this particular troll had some kind of evidence or information that might have been helpful in the case.  How was anyone to know what her intentions were?  Her cryptic double talk was annoying at the very least.  She was slinging insults at every turn.  Many before her have come only to start trouble and cause distraction.  Yet, somehow the ducks were supposed to be able to look beyond all that and just know that she had something of relevance to add to the cause.   Many said nothing in response to her insults!  Most of the participants on the FWK thread ignored her!  Most agree that “feeding the trolls” causes more trouble than it’s worth.  And that was the trend.  But, those that did respond to Martina, did so in fairness and with honesty.  A little Snarkiness, maybe.  But, not with anger or hatred.  And I certainly would not call it “KILLING A FRIEND”.

So I have to respectfully disagree with Prudentia’s post on “Friendly Fire” –  Yes, this is a war – it’s a war against Heidi! 

KK Diet & MCD (things that make you go hmmmm)

Posted in kimkins with tags , , , , , , on February 11, 2008 by kimkinscam

So….  

The latest news on LCF’s -FWK- threadshows that Bonnie Luper (Magic Chicken Diet founder) was once a resident of RIVERSIDE CA !!!!

Oh, really! 

Just how BIG is Riverside CA?   And what are the odds of both Heidi Diaz and Bonnie Luper living in the same town and never having crossed paths? 

Well, I’d wager -big money- that the odds of them NOT having some kind of connection is extremely low!!  In fact, I’d bet they are “tied at the hip” somehow!!  Kimkins and MCD are too much alike!!  Both- very low calorie diets with private “paid only” access to their sites.  Both claiming they have found the answer and a way to loose 160-200 pounds, in less than a year, by eating chicken and sugar free jello.  Now, I ask you, WHAT ARE THE ODDS?

Of course, there’s more to this story!  Of course, the Kimkins Diet and the Magic Chicken Diet are somehow related!  And someone (probably a duck) is getting really close to the truth.   Why else would the MCD “group” be waging WAR against the bloggers who are dedicated to bringing Heidi to justice?   Why else would David Luper (or whoever) start a site dedicated to sarcasm and cruel insults towards overweight people (and his own wife)?  The author of that site seems REALLY ANGRY at the ducks.  WHY?  Because many people were concerned that their original site might be a spin off or cousin to Kimkins?  What’s So Bad About Asking?  If you have NOTHING to hide, why become SO HOSTILE?  Why go to ALL that trouble to get that anger off your chest, by blogging that ridiculous garbage on the MCD dot net site?  There MUST be a whole bunch at stake to have gotten David, Bonnie or whoever so “hot and bothered” by the ducks (particularly Yust Yucky)that they felt compelled to go on such a rampage.  Looks like “someone” hit a very sensitive nerve!!!

Well, guess what?  I think you’ve (Magic Chicken People) got LOTS to hide!!!

I think it won’t be too long before you find your names on John Tiedt’s desk.  Right smack in the middle of the lawsuit.  Hope that new insurance job pays well.  Cuz, lawyers ain’t cheap!!  Just ask Heidi!  Well, maybe Heidi will share her lawyer with ya.  He seems like the kind that would take on “ANYONE” as a client.

Gotta go now, there’s another “drive by troll” spewing nonsense on the thread – and it’s Monday afternoon!  What happened to Friday night?  3 days behind schedule, Bonnie-Kimmer?

Sincerely,

One Of The “Battery Drainers” (A.K.A. Ducks)

One More Example of Kimmer’s character

Posted in kimkins with tags , , , , , , , , , on February 6, 2008 by kimkinscam

Prudentia has a heart-wrenching blog post that shouldn’t be overlooked.

 How Much Is Enough For Children?”

This is just one more reason to continue the fight against this unconscionable woman.

I wonder if her loyal kimkinites will find this latest information as sickening as I do.